[VOIPSEC] Put STUN in NAT Boxes?

[Spencer Dawkins]

I know Dan knows what I'm about to say, but since there are people on this 
list who aren't IETF weenies...

Spencer

From: "Dan Wing" <dwing at fuggles.com>


> Simon Horne wrote:
>> Dan (Wing)
>>
>> I noticed that you submitted a proposal to add STUN to NAT devices
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wing-behave-nat-control-stun-usage-02.txt
>
> Yes.  I had asked for a BoF at the upcoming IETF meeting, but it was
> denied.  Discussion of that document is on the SAFE mailing list,
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/safe.  I will ask for a BoF
> at this fall's IETF (Vancouver).

I checked with the IETF transport area directors when I saw Dan's note, 
because *I* was confused, and here's what I got from Lars and Magnus... hope 
it's helpful.

- IETF BOF requests are to discuss a new idea at a specific meeting, and are 
approved or denied for a specific meeting

- the IESG has been doing a more transparent job of keeping the community 
informed about BOF status at http://www3.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki. For 
the past several IETFs, this page appeared as a link on the meeting details 
page (in this case, http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/69-IETF.html), but this 
step was missed (it's been added to the IETF 69 meeting details page now)

- BOF requests can be denied for a vast range of reasons, from "this is the 
worst idea since plaintext passwords" to "there's not an available slot 
left", so denying a BOF for a specific meeting doesn't mean the ADs don't 
think the idea is good or, or that the work should not go forward

- In this case, the issue was mostly that the proposal was fairly new, and 
the ADs thought the BOF would be more productive after more people read the 
proposal and talked on/off the list Dan pointed to

- they are hoping for a BOF request for the next IETF meeting this fall, but 
we still have some work to do, before that BOF request would be approved

So, summarizing, the ADs don't hate the idea, want us to discuss it in more 
detail, and look forward to moving this forward in the future. If you're in 
Chicago for the July IETF, find Dan in the bar and talk as long as you'd 
like!

Thanks,

Spencer